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over 100,000 pentagon workers will be furloughed and an hour and a half line at least to get on a plane, more like four hours because they have to be furloughed. wait a second! i thought we were all going to all be affected. >> gretchen: that was monday, tuesday, wednesday. >> steve: right. it looks like the white house and cabinet minute secretaries have -- ministers clearly hyped this whole thing. keep in mind, the white house and the administration has a lot of leeway in how the cuts are administered among the agencies and phil gramm, former senator from texas who helped right the sequestration bill in the 1985s, he's going to be our guest in ten minutes. he's going to tell us about the president, if he makes the choices where they are deliberate, maximum cut for maximum political gain, that would be the wrong thing to do for america. >> gretchen: he seems to be backing off on that now because i think if this crisis ultimately did not happen come saturday, the credibility of the president and his administration would be called into question. meantime, what do you think about this? th
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